Interview: Two Lions’ Kelsey Skea on Rights, Series, and Strategies

In Feature Articles by Porter Anderson

Turning five this year, the children’s imprint Two Lions is starting to acquire and translate non-English work, even as it sells its books into other territories—and it’s experimenting with ‘a faster cadence’ in series development.

Author Lindsay Ward of the ‘Dexter T. Rexter’ series, left, with Two Lions editorial director Kelsey Skea at the American Library Association’s New Orleans conference in June. ‘It’s Show and Tell, Dexter!’ releases today. Image: Lucy Silag

By Porter Anderson, Editor-in-Chief | @Porter_Anderson

Now Buying as Well as Selling Rights
As Amazon’s children’s book publishing Two Lions reaches its fifth anniversary this year, its editorial director, Kelsey Skea, is taking stock of the substantial progress made by an imprint still younger than many of its readers. And in a conversation with Publishing Perspectives, Skea reveals that the company is dedicating a lot of its emphasis to series of books for children–and experimenting with ways to speed up new installments in some of those series.

Among several of what Skea calls the imprint’s “homegrown” series, author Lindsay Ward’s “Dexter T. Rexter” series is of high interest today (July 17): the second book in the series, It’s Show and Tell, Dexter!, is being released as this article runs.

The original book in the series, Don’t Forget Dexter! is one of the company’s success stories, with more than 65,000 copies in digital and print. It introduces the titular a tyrannosaurus who is described in promotional materials as “a hilariously neurotic dinosaur.” A third installment, Vacation for Dexter (curiously without exclamation point) is reportedly in negotiations.

Two Lions is the Amazon Publishing imprint that produces books for readers up to age 12, and Skea (pronounced “Ski”) says the company is not only selling rights to its list but is also starting to acquire foreign titles with the AmazonCrossing team’s assistance and publish them in English.

The first such rights that Two Lions has bought are for the Italian author-illustrator Ilaria Guarducci’s Spino (Camelozampa, 2016)—to be published on January 22 in a translation by Laura Watkinson as Spiky. “It’s about an animal,” Skea tells Publishing Perspectives, who changes the way he behaves when his fearsome spikes fall out.”

Having used his spikes to intimidate and bully others, “He now has to change his bad behavior when they all fall out,” Skea says. “Just a really universal message and approach, and we were able to work with the translator Laura Watkinson on the book.” Watkinson is the winner of the 2015 Mildred L Batchelder Award from the American Library Association (ALA) for her work on Bibi Damon Tuk and Philip Hopman’s Mikis and the Donkey.

There’s a second book to be brought into English soon, as well, she says, with an announcement to come.

Meanwhile, as this young imprint comes up to speed, its work is being sold into other territories. We have some examples, thanks to Amazon’s senior global rights manager Alex Levenberg.

Twenty Yawns, from Pulitzer Prize-winning author Jane Smiley and Caldecott Honor illustrator Lauren Castillo, has announced rights sales including:

  • Spanish: Editorial Corimbo
  • Catalan: Editorial Corimbo
  • Chinese (Simplified): China CITIC

This title has had extensive media coverage, including stories in The New York Times and The Washington Post, as well as starred reviews in KirkusHorn Book and School Library Journal.

Ralph Tells a Story, by Abby Hanlon—which Skea points out complements the Lucy Calkins Writers’ Workshop model of teaching—has rights sales including:

  • French: Éditions Deux
  • Chinese (complex): Hsinex
  • Chinese (simplified): Beijing Tianlue Books
  • Korean: The Book in My Life
  • Spanish: Santillana Mexico

Pipsie, Nature Detective: The Disappearing Caterpillar and Pipsie, Nature Detective: The Lunchnapper—by Rick DeDonato and illustrator Tracy Bishop—each has sales including:

  • Azerbaijani: TEAS Press
  • Russian: Piter

And one of the most anticipated coming launches from Two Lions—expect it to be widely on view at the Frankfurter Buchmesse, October 10 to 14—is Anna Kang and illustrator Christopher Weyant’s new Eraser, set for a September 1 release and focused on the title character whose job it is, as Skea says, “cleaning up everybody else’s mistakes.”

Promotional materials for the title say, “Except for Ruler and Pencil Sharpener, none of the other school supplies seem to appreciate her.

“They all love how sharp Pencil is and how Tape and Glue help everyone stick together.

Eraser wants to create so that she can shine like the others. She decides to give it a try, but it’s not until the rubber meets the road that Eraser begins to understand a whole lot about herself.

As it turns out, Kang and Weyant are, like the illustrator Laura Watkinson, winners of an American Library Association award, too, the Theodor Seuss Geisel Award for the most distinguished beginning reader book.

That award came to them for their 2015 You Are (Not) Small, which became the beginning of a series that now has sold some 200,000 copies in print and digital, according to the imprint’s reports.

The first book has been followed by That’s (Not) Mine and I Am (Not) Scared. And in spring 2019, Skea plans to release the fourth book in the series, We Are (Not) Friends.

An Inherited Backlist: Building on Marshall Cavendish

One of the things that has helped Two Lions come up to speed so quickly is the gift of a strong list that arrived as the result of an acquisition.

In 2012, Skea reminds us, it was announced that Amazon had acquired more than 450 titles from Marshall Cavendish Children’s Books. The children’s division of “APub,” which includes both Two Lions and the Skyscape imprint for teens and YA, would end up housing the Marshall Cavendish books. And in some cases, Skea says, she and her Two Lions team have been able to extend series that began in that collection. n other cases, the imprint has created its own new series.

For example, What If Everybody Did That? from author Ellen Javernick and illustrator Colleen Madden was a Marshall Cavendish title, warning readers about the consequences of thoughtless behavior. Under Two Lions’ stewardship, it has reached more than 240,000 readers in both digital and print, the imprint tells us.

Javernick and Madden are back in the second book in the series on August 1, What If Everybody Said That?

Another book that originated with Cavendish, Turkey Trouble by Wendi Silvano with illustrations by Lee Harper, has become a holiday-themed hit, with Turkey Claus having been added in 2012, an earlier Thanksgiving themed turkey book in 2009, and a fourth book, Turkey’s Eggcellent Easter, scheduled for January 2019.

The series is reported by Two Lions to have sold 165,000 copies, comprising both print and digital.

Socially Conscious Messages, and Quicker Cadences

“It’s early days,” Skea stresses about her imprint, honoring other, longer-established houses and their abilities to plot long-term trends. The response she’s seeing to date, “does vary with each title,” she says, “but we’re really pleased with where we are.”

And one of the trends Skea says they’ve seen since the Bologna Children’s Book Fair in the spring has been a rising interest in socially conscious messages.

“One of the books I’m very proud of” in that regard, Skea says, “is A Home for Leo by Vin Vogel. It’s a modern twist on the The Jungle Book, the story of a boy who goes down a river on a boar with his parents, falls overboard, and is raised by sea lions. He’s ultimately reunited with his parents and he has to figure out how to reconcile the two worlds and two families, making the adjustment between land and sea, and the sea lion family and human family, and where he fits in.”

Just released at the beginning of this month, A Home for Leo, Skea says, “has comedic points but also is written with a lot of heart and can apply to many situations,” not least, of course, children experiencing one from or another of displacement.

“We’ve heard from foster parents,” Skea says, “and part of the inspiration for the book was when Ben was thinking about refugees and the adjustments they have to make when they move to a different country and have to think about who they are” in a new setting and life.

One of the challenges, Skea says, is in the assumption by many people that writing children’s books is easy. “Oh, it’s just a 32-page picture book–I can do that” is the kind of thinking that can trip up authors new to the form, she says. But the layered needs of character development mean that her job, she says, is often “sorting through what’s working and not working for each book and helping the author and illustrator bring it through to be the best book it can be.”

The other challenge she mentions is simply that “It takes a long time” to develop good work well. “And  your audience can outgrow a new series faster than you can turn it out. “You’re working with kids who are progressing in their reading abilities, and sometimes, by the time you get a second book out in a series, those kids may have progressed on to chapter books” and to other series and reading hurdles.

“So one thing we’re looking at and experimenting with,” she says, is accelerating “the cadence between picture books to less than a year” between installments. This approach isn’t for every series, author, or illustrator, she says. But where successful, “We’re hoping to retain some of the readers of an original book to help build a series more quickly.”

One series she mentions as being part of this effort is the “Duck and Hippo” series from author Jonathan London and illustrator Andrew Joyner. That was a case where we had two books out within six months of each other in 2017,” she says, “and this year, we have two more coming out within just a few months of each other.

The “Dexter T. Rexter” series is also moving quickly in this approach. With its second book out today, the third is to release in April, Skea says.

“We’ve tried a couple of these,” she says, and the key criterion is based in which author-illustrator—or author-and-illustrator—can manage a quickening pace. “Some require more time than others,” she says, “which is totally fine.” Careful not to rush the ones who aren’t right for a speed-up of the phases of production, she says, where they can identify quicker workers, this is something they’re looking at.

And thus, as Kelsey Skea is pointing out, rights buyers for Two Lions series may discover a faster availability for new titles than they’d normally expect.

“We want to make sure it’s high-quality storytelling,” she says, of course, “and also that it makes sense for the character and book. So it’s a matter of evaluating it on a project-by-project basis.”


Below is a video produced by Two Lions about Vin Vogel’s A Home for Leo.

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Porter Anderson

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Porter Anderson is Editor-in-Chief of Publishing Perspectives. He is also co-owner and editor with Jane Friedman of The Hot Sheet, the newsletter for trade and indie authors. He formerly was Associate Editor for The FutureBook, at London's The Bookseller. Anderson has also worked with CNN International, CNN.com, CNN USA, the Village Voice, the Dallas Times Herald, and other media.